[cassioli]

I need a free guitar tuner for my 6680, but looks like none of the existing ones is compatible.
So I'd like to write it by myself.

I collected some documentation with google, so I know that I need to perform a Fast Fourier Transformation on the captured sound; being pys60 not able to process real-time microphone input, I'll have to record small chunks of sound to WAV file and analyze them.

I found a python example, but I can't figure out how FFT fucntion works.

I also found that probably pymedia or numpy or numarray modules would be suitable for this task, but I can't understand if they are available for pys60. Any idea?

I guess it should be enough to pass to the FFT function above just a simple array containing all raw samples contained in the WAV file, putting to "0" the imaginary part.... Is this correct?!?

Any help would be appreciated...

[Sorcery-ltd]

I haven't had time to get into python programming yet so I can't help with the module availability.

However, FFTs I can help with. That must really be the slowest FFT in the world, even without having to run it in Python. You should just be able to pass it the raw sample data though and the algorithm accepts real numbers (note, this version almost certainly won't work on integers properly, fractional parts will be used in the calculations, not sure how Python handles that).

That transforms your data from the time domain to the frequency domain. After that the sample with the greatest magnitude should correspond to the frequecy of the note you are playing - working out what that frequency is will be slightly less easy I suspect.

I had a quick google for guitar tuners (I'd quite like one too) and assuming it's still available this one:
http://www.handango.com/ampp/store/P...oductId=199274
Is only $6.29 and supports the 6680. That's nearly free. Particularly compared to the time it would take you to develop it to this level.

While I'm all for Python and rapid prototyping I think you might find the delays involved in trying to do the FFT like that make the application a bit less usable than you'd like.

Sorcery

[Sorcery-ltd]

P.S. If you do still want to go down the free open source tuner route I think an FFT extension module for Python could be really useful. If no-one else does one I might make that my next hobby project... I'll probably have time before the end of next year at least! If someone else wants to do it first I'd be happy to help with debugging.

[cassioli]

Originally Posted by Sorcery-ltd

I haven't had time to get into python programming yet so I can't help with the module availability.

However, FFTs I can help with. That must really be the slowest FFT in the world, even without having to run it in Python. You should just be able to pass it the raw sample data though and the algorithm accepts real numbers (note, this version almost certainly won't work on integers properly, fractional parts will be used in the calculations, not sure how Python handles that).

That transforms your data from the time domain to the frequency domain. After that the sample with the greatest magnitude should correspond to the frequecy of the note you are playing - working out what that frequency is will be slightly less easy I suspect.

Sorry, I can't understand: are you talking about you writing a python module which implements FFT? Or you already did? Or you just wrote the algorithm in another language? Or you just THOUGHT the algorithm?!?
Ah, wait... maybe you are talking about the source I posted??
In that case... maybe you can explain better how I should use that function?

I had a quick google for guitar tuners (I'd quite like one too) and assuming it's still available this one:
http://www.handango.com/ampp/store/P...oductId=199274
Is only $6.29 and supports the 6680. That's nearly free. Particularly compared to the time it would take you to develop it to this level.

While I'm all for Python and rapid prototyping I think you might find the delays involved in trying to do the FFT like that make the application a bit less usable than you'd like.

Sorcery

Cool finding... but I think it would be more interesting to use my need for a guitar tuner to learn python programming.

Originally Posted by Sorcery-ltd

P.S. If you do still want to go down the free open source tuner route I think an FFT extension module for Python could be really useful. If no-one else does one I might make that my next hobby project... I'll probably have time before the end of next year at least! If someone else wants to do it first I'd be happy to help with debugging.

Don't forget not to reinvent the wheel (or... well, just reinvent it if you like, I know amateur programmers usually like reinventing algorithms just to enjoy programming ): numarray, numpy, scipy modules already exist and are opensource...

[cyke64]

@cassioli:

You should implement FFT in C++ for making a fast python extension module !
There's a very large choice of source code on FFT ...

BR
Cyke64

[cassioli]

Originally Posted by cyke64

@cassioli:

You should implement FFT in C++ for making a fast python extension module !
There's a very large choice of source code on FFT ...

BR
Cyke64

I don't know c++, that's why I'm looking for python modules...
Anyway I guess I do NOT need such a fast algorithm: for guitar tuning, analyzing a sample of just 1 second or 2 sholuld be enough.

[Sorcery-ltd]

Hi,

Ah, wait... maybe you are talking about the source I posted??

Yes, that was it, sorry for the confusion. What you posted was a beautifully simple but extremely inefficient implementation of the FFT algorithm. It was also using real numbers rather than fixed point (what you actually want is a Discrete Fourier Transform or DFT) which is even slower since they aren't supported natively on ARM. I'm not saying don't use that source, just be aware that it will be very slow, even for a short sample I'd guess!

You should implement FFT in C++ for making a fast python extension module !

This is what I was suggesting I'd do for my next project (if I ever find some time). In fact a signal processing module would be quite good I think. I would only plan to port some open source math library code to Symbian and put some Python wrappers (bindings?) around it.

Then you could just have functions to get the current sound frequency in Python for guitar tuner and all the audio stuff could be done in C++ in real time.

Sorcery

[lfd]

Have you tried Musician?

I quickly found a link at http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/softw...m/Musician.php. I'm not sure if this is the author webpage.


LFD

[cyke64]

Originally Posted by lfd

Have you tried Musician?

I quickly found a link at http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/softw...m/Musician.php. I'm not sure if this is the author webpage.


LFD

It's not really the same thing that Casioli want to do
He want a real time sampler what he play with his instrument so he need a FFT !
The software you link is a very simple sound emitter of fixed freq.

Read the entire thread before commenting

Cyke64

[croozeus]

Hello

So It means a new module for real time tunning of Guitar!
Great! Waiting

Best Regards
croozeus

[cassioli]

Originally Posted by croozeus

Hello

So It means a new module for real time playing of Guitar!
Great! Waiting

Best Regards
croozeus

for playing?!? No! For TUNING!

lfd, a program like that one is as simple that... I already wrote it, in OPL, for UIQ. But it is useless for me, I'm not able to compare guitar sounds to phone-generated sounds. I thought about making the phone play a pre-recorded guitar (tuned ) sound... but I never implementd it.

Having a REAL tuner would be much better!

[alfem]

Hi !

I'm really interested in realtime pitch identification, but not for a guitar tuner.

I'd like to develop a voice pitch mouse controller, for disabled people.

Unfortunately, I haven't found something useful (python related)

[cassioli]

thanks for giving me a new clue to do a google search!

So I found tcSnack python module, which allows pitch detection!
http://www.speech.kth.se/snack/man/s...ython-man.html

But I couldnt find a pys60 port....

[z22]

I am developing a strobe tuner emulation using PyS60 and a Python extension for audio steaming, FFT, and calculating the phase for the strobe display. Right now its working except for pitch detection. Once everything is cleaned up I will post the sources. Anyway, it looks like this:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/279...hot0001ec5.png

[cassioli]

cool.
I stay tuned.